Curse

echX · Aug 27, 2006, 07:06 AM // 07:06

Ok, I have just got to do this...

Try to open the eyes of thousands and again thousands of FACTION players that actually believe they are good!

"- hey u n00b, I have 3 lvl20's so I know things!!"

Well, that is one comment among others you hear all too often in Guild Wars these days. A few questions later, the same avatar answers:

"- no I don't have Prophecies, why?"

AHA, I KNEW IT!

Having a level 20 charachter from Factions is NOT, I repeat NOT the same thing as having a level 20 character from Prophecies... Why? It's quitw simple actually...

A level 20 charachter from Prophecies has spent numerous hours of hard questing in the lands of Tyria, slaying charr, driving back invading armies of undead, finding lost treasures and artefacts, saved ghosts from wandering the lands of the living for eternity and so on... Each one of these quests has offered the modest reward of a few golden coins, mabye some hammer or shield and about 250-500 XP. The quests take about 10-15 minutes to complete which gives us an averege of 25 XP per minute, not counting the points gained from monsters you put down along the path.

In Factions on the continent of Cantha one can enter a city and pick up a few quests (and not so few I might add), step right outside the door and talk to three, mabye four NPC's standing right there and collect around as much as 8000(!!!) XP in a matter of minutes! That's... that's... something like 1600 XP per minute!!! And sometimes you don't even have have to face any enemies!

That's not fair! But it also carries with it a very logical explanation: it is for Faction charachters to advance rapidly in level so that they don't subject oneselves to their Tyrian masters when they arrive to the continent of Cantha. So they can have a equal relationship of level and quests in the continuation of the game.

But it is also very, very wrong!

Because you see, to reach level 20 with your charachter in Guild Wars one need to acumulate the amount of 140.600 experience points. Yes, it's a lot, I agree. In order to do that, earning around 25 XP per minute (and no, not counting the XP you get for killing enemies) a Prophecies player need to spend around 5624 minutes of gametime, thats 93.7 hours, or 13 DAYS to reach level 20. In a row!

According to the same mathematics, a Factions player on the other hand need only to invest around 87 minutes of his or her life in order to reach the same level 20 with his or hers charachter...

Yes, I agree that this is no scientific theory to base some actual evidence on, but I believe that you by now get my point?

A level 20 Faction player is not "as good" as a level 20 Prophecies player. The Prophecies player has seen more, done more, explored more, cooporated more, quests more, looted more, PLAYED more...

So please, please all Faction players out there that actually DO read this crap... Try to treat your Tyrain collegues with dignity and respect the next time you meet one, remembering all the hours and days HE has put down in this game, that you haven't... And since the game was released in april 2005 and Factions around april 2006, he have had the opportunity to play it ONE YEAR before Factions came out, and believe me, you pick up some tips and tricks along they way...

Peace!

mega_jamie · Aug 27, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

TBH the point is mute, as you end up at level 20 either way, you can have 8 lvl 20s and still not know the game, or have 1 lvl 20 and be inteligent enough to know things, simply as you pay attention to other people's skilbars.

If i partied with someone who kept going on like that id have to slap them and probably leave the party, number of max level characters means nothing to how well you know the game, (doubly so in Factions)

But a 20 Factions player worse than a 20 Prophecies player? No, thats simply too much of a generalisation, i've met idiotic prophecy players quite content to sit there and try to poison skeletons, and ive met highly inteligent factions only players capable of forming good strategies.

A person with Prophecies and Factions has, in my opinion, the greatest potential to be a skilled player, just by having the most content to experience, but for all we know the greatest and most skilled Guild Wars player may have never taken a PvE char out of Pre-Sear

Russell.Crowe · Aug 27, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41

lol...

run from Ascalon>Droknar's Forge "LF power leveler, I HAVE SCROLLS!!!!!!"

yes, Prophecies characters take so much more time, unlike in factions where you actually have to do the missions and quests to help you level

Opeth11 · Aug 27, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Being level 20 barely means anything anyways. It's just best to ignore those people who think they are gods if they have a character at that 'godly' and 'unattainable' level.

Arcador · Aug 27, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Note for Prophecies: Many players that are low lvl (with 2-3 at max) in areas where most are 20 lvl are probably experianced ones and are adept in playing. You will probably be more succesfull with them compared to other 20 lvl ones.

Note - This do not counts runned noobs. They probably can be cought by some chat.

Mrscoombes · Aug 27, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Skill, not time played. Kthanks.

Div · Aug 27, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell.Crowe

lol...

run from Ascalon>Droknar's Forge "LF power leveler, I HAVE SCROLLS!!!!!!"

yes, Prophecies characters take so much more time, unlike in factions where you actually have to do the missions and quests to help you level

Yes, but most people looking for runs and powerleveling have already played through the game numerous times and is just looking to get to level 20 easily (and safely for survivor title). Considering that on average, it takes 2k for ascalon->beacons and another 3k for beacons->droknars, and 2k per level (including scrolls, etc), that's still a good 45-50k a person has to spend. No "noob" has that type of gold sitting around unless they bought it off ebay

I have to agree that tyrian level 20's are by far more "experienced" in terms of gameplay than pure canthan level 20's. Whether they're better or not is another question.

Count to Potato · Aug 27, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Your right! you know what else is really annoying?

If u have both Prophecies and Factions you just need to get to Lions Arch to get make armor so that defeats half the game of prophecies

Thallandor · Aug 27, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I always felt that GWP toons are superior to GWF toons in terms of the amount of skill they possess with the same amout gold ie (skill quest) but not neccessary in terms of how the OP expressed that its takes longer to reach level 20 in GWP than in GWF.

Regarless of how people may say that Skill >> time spend playing, it still takes time for someone to build a character and play with skill and keep building on what they know and the knowledge of others to become a more efficient and better player.

Angel Develin · Aug 27, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

LOL,
I saw a guy in faction with lvl 20 from Prophecies that had finish the game in both games and did know how to beat his mirror and ask me what I was talking about, in GW is not about lvl's is allabout skills....and ooo yeah about how old you are

when do ppl stop this kind of stuff? if any one want to show how good they are just go to a pvp area and show it. I hear enough ppl calling me a noob when I kick there a$$ in aspenwood solo 1vs1 so what does make them??.

Sacho · Aug 27, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

The learning curve on factions is steep, as you are thrown into level 20 combat on your...what was it, third mission? And the whole continent is level 20 content. So pretty much anyone who's made it through the first few missions in the continent *could* have the same experience as a prophecies player who's made it past the desert....

Of course, you can't judge experience like that. It depends on the players themselves what they learn.

Rusty Deth · Aug 27, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

This is a really stupid arguement/statement...

I run into crappy players in both Factions and Prophecies who are level 20. And anybody who'd argue a level 20 from Prophecies is better than a level 20 from Factions is just ignorant and has no concept of the game they claim to be playing for such a long time.

Hell, in fact I don't even care what level people are when I PUG. I done loads of cantha missions with level 16's with no problem, and I got my Warrior through the desert when she was level 14.

The idea of your level meaning something in either Factions or Prophecies is just as dumb as a guy looking for a group who says he's Ascended and Infused.

Now I seen everything. Next thing you know armored dyed all black or having FoW armor is going to be some sort of standard for being an experienced player.

BanaXX · Aug 27, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52

In terms of skill, if a Prophecies player played in April 2005, when Guild Wars came out, i agree that player is better. But if a player is from Prophecies and power leveld and ran to the way, then the faction player is obviously more skilled. Its just in term of which time period u are playing in :P

Russell.Crowe · Aug 27, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Yes, but most people looking for runs and powerleveling have already played through the game numerous times and is just looking to get to level 20 easily (and safely for survivor title). Considering that on average, it takes 2k for ascalon->beacons and another 3k for beacons->droknars, and 2k per level (including scrolls, etc), that's still a good 45-50k a person has to spend. No "noob" has that type of gold sitting around unless they bought it off ebay

I have to agree that tyrian level 20's are by far more "experienced" in terms of gameplay than pure canthan level 20's. Whether they're better or not is another question.

Very untrue. Money does not prove you are not a noob. Trust me, plenty of W/Mos have money and they still don't understand how to play the game =). Another thing, getting powerleveled in Drok's is prolly not the way I'd want to get survivor considering the run down there is dangerous as hell for the people being ran(i.e. Dreadnought's Drift). It would take a ninja not to die tbh.

bungusmaximus · Aug 28, 2006, 08:40 AM // 08:40

I started out with only prophecies, I'm playing a monk, and I never get any complaints about my playing style. Just a matter of asking more experienced players what to do best in certain situations. If you are a little open-minded, learning how to play can be accomplished either way.